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What do you think about politics in Cambodia?
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Posted on 12/12/2009 1:37:15 PM
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sorchek
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I think most of us (if not all) are disappointed to see our current Khmer political arena in unworkable atmosphere and there is no progress at all. This could weaken our very young democracy, and eventually it could lead to the totalitarian regime.
What do you think? Any suggestion how they can get along? My input is following and again it is my wish. Frankly I like to see our politicians do similar to what the US politicians do. 1. They put the country as their top priority over their party and themselves. 2. Whenever they debate or discuss any political subject, they only look at the opinions and ideas of their oppositions. They do not incite the personal matter of their opponents into the discussion. At the end of the debate, they respect each other and there is no personal hatred towards each other. Some even have lunch together after the hot debate. 3. If they loose the election, they will accept it and congratulate the winner. There is no personal hatred toward the winner. They just walk away and work on the next election. Note - When talking about politics, it is hard for all us to agree on any given subject. But keep in mind that we just want to share our opinion to each other, so please attack only our opinions and leave our personal stuffs aside. That way we will have good and healthy debate, and at the end we will learn from each other and keep our friendship alive.
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Posted on 12/12/2009 1:44:28 PM
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Sophal
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If you're not living in Cambodia, it's best leaving Khmer politics to those people that living in the country.
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Posted on 12/12/2009 2:11:24 PM
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Tha
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i think cambodia's politic is fine..its not the best but at least the CPP is leading it the right way. i believe that the CPP and Hun Sen are the only things that can lead Cambodia into a better country..beside the CPP and Hun Sen, a new leader will destroy Cambodia
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Posted on 12/12/2009 3:39:04 PM
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Sophal
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While if the self-exiled people care so much, they can move back to Cambodia and contribute their ideas there. It takes work to make real change. And talk is cheap.
Sophal, why are you saying this??? Our politicians never listen and learn to improve anything toward hatred! If one voice suggesting to the government, the government bark back and tell them to shut up!!! As we can see right now you try to tell us to leave them alone??? The people whose are posting this forum or comment is not allowed! You think these people aren't helping their beloved country that including the world??? They are known that there aren’t their businesses but this is their country too, and this is only a message to improving their behavior and manner for a more Nation to United to build our country for a better living and a better free speech. We Knew that the country are already built from KR zero or VN invasion, however are not enough!!! Please let them debate and expressing their feeling! I hope that I am not hurt anyone! Cheer!!!
If you're not living in Cambodia, it's best lredeaving Khmer politics to those people that living in the country.
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Posted on 12/12/2009 4:25:01 PM
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Sophal
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Talking Khmer politics while you're living abroad is like reading Romeo and Juliet book to understand Tum Tev.
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Posted on 12/12/2009 6:46:51 PM
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sam368
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Those who do not comprehend much of political ideology should not make any statement that is degraded the efforts of many who have been helpful for all along. There are Cambodian living oversea have shared the burden those who live at the homeland. Although, we are living abroad we never forget who we are, what we want for our homeland. Someone said [Talk is Cheap], If politics are not about talking and good ideas....what does? If politician does not talk...who does? To better understand...go to www.khmercity.net. there are topics have been discussing. It's interesting. Sam
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Posted on 12/12/2009 8:08:41 PM
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BunteayChhmar
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I agree with you Sam, if talk is cheap why anyone said talk is cheap? If it is cheap no one should interrupting the debating. That mean we should find a way to debate and discussing the solution how to build Cambodia to be a better and safe to live.
Those who do not comprehend much of political ideology should not make any statement that is degraded the efforts of many who have been helpful for all along. There are Cambodian living oversea have shared the burden those who live at the homeland. Although, we are living abroad we never forget who we are, what we want for our homeland. Someone said [Talk is Cheap], If politics are not about talking and good ideas....what does? If politician does not talk...who does? To better understand...go to www.khmercity.net. there are topics have been discussing. It's interesting. Sam
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Posted on 12/12/2009 8:34:00 PM
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Sophal
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Do you ever wonder why many exiled people stop talking politics?
Let's take Lon Nol for example. He stop being political altogether. And many great Khmer general armies. You don't hear them coming in public discussing politics. Because it's pointless to discuss it without being in the position to change them.
Those who do not comprehend much of political ideology should not make any statement that is degraded the efforts of many who have been helpful for all along. There are Cambodian living oversea have shared the burden those who live at the homeland. Although, we are living abroad we never forget who we are, what we want for our homeland. Someone said [Talk is Cheap], If politics are not about talking and good ideas....what does? If politician does not talk...who does? To better understand...go to www.khmercity.net. there are topics have been discussing. It's interesting. Sam
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Posted on 12/12/2009 8:59:57 PM
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Sophal
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I can understand that if you're exiled, you can talk your way (politically) to get back into the country. But if you're self-exiled, why not coming back to the country and get the work done. If you have great ideas and think you will make great leader, why not come to Cambodia?
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Posted on 12/12/2009 11:27:48 PM
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sam368
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Sophal, Honestly, you're immature to apprehend the gravity of politics. You mentioned about Lon Nol, the guy's dead. Generals...Who? Who are those guys? Self-exciled...do you think everyone here in the states are exciled? you're making false assumption. There are many Cambodian living in the states. they are different in their own necessity. You can't induct everyone the same nature.
I can understand that if you're exiled, you can talk your way (politically) to get back into the country. But if you're self-exiled, why not coming back to the country and get the work done. If you have great ideas and think you will make great leader, why not come to Cambodia? How do you know those have great ideas are not getting back help the country? Sam
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Posted on 12/12/2009 11:33:05 PM
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sam368
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Sophal, [Do you ever wonder why many exiled people stop talking politics? No, I never do. Can you tell why? Let's take Lon Nol for example. He stop being political altogether]. Can you check if Lon Nol is dead? that is why he can't talk. or any generals...would you tell me who? Sam
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Posted on 12/12/2009 11:40:19 PM
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sam368
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Sophal,
Talking Khmer politics while you're living abroad is like reading Romeo and Juliet book to understand Tum Tev. Why can't someone talk politics while living away from home? You should verify your comment to make sense. Your argument seems invalid. Sam
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Posted on 12/12/2009 11:55:01 PM
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sam368
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Tha,
i think cambodia's politic is fine..its not the best but at least the CPP is leading it the right way. i believe that the CPP and Hun Sen are the only things that can lead Cambodia into a better country..beside the CPP and Hun Sen, a new leader will destroy Cambodia If that is true...everyone must leave the country by now or in the next 40years. Why? because Hun Sen is getting old and his CPP members...most of them are old......then what? well....they're going to die, and. Because without them, Cambodia will disappear from the face of the earth, Sic!!!!!! Tha.....don't be fooled by such comments. It's just a political rhetoric, a propaganda to scare people. Why? because when everyone is scared....it is easy to take control. They control everyone's life. People must know Politics is not about purely on cash, guns and bodyguards...it's all about the Willpower. It's all about love and care. it's about helping and hope and great future. It's about improving peoples' lives. It's about protecting and preserving culture, tradditions, beliefs and dignity etc... It's on and on.... Tell everyone don't listen to such statement [without CPP and Hun Sen, the country will be destroyed]. How about without CPP and Hun Sen, the country should be better of. Sam
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Posted on 12/13/2009 1:47:21 AM
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Tymbon
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You seem to be concern about democracy in Cambodia. Well my friend, you don’t need to be. Our country is not ready for true democracy. Imposed democracy on a poor nation will never work. I believe a totalitarian regime, under a strong ruler would be more efficient in leading a nation out of poverty. Our country need stability, democracy in a poor nation doesn’t seem to create stability. Fortunately our gov’t is dominated by a single party, otherwise we might be still at war. I live in the US over 20 yrs. I’m not against democracy. It’s not an efficient gov’t system but it’s the greatest. I believe democracy should not be forced upon a nation by outsiders, but it should be forced upon a nation by her own people. The key to achieve democracy is education. People need to understand the meaning of democracy and appreciate it. By this I don’t mean you should go around teaching the definition of democracy to the people and expect them to be ready for democracy, it takes a lots more that. I think most of us (if not all) are disappointed to see our current Khmer political arena in unworkable atmosphere and there is no progress at all. This could weaken our very young democracy, and eventually it could lead to the totalitarian regime.
What do you think? Any suggestion how they can get along? My input is following and again it is my wish. Frankly I like to see our politicians do similar to what the US politicians do. 1. They put the country as their top priority over their party and themselves. 2. Whenever they debate or discuss any political subject, they only look at the opinions and ideas of their oppositions. They do not incite the personal matter of their opponents into the discussion. At the end of the debate, they respect each other and there is no personal hatred towards each other. Some even have lunch together after the hot debate. 3. If they loose the election, they will accept it and congratulate the winner. There is no personal hatred toward the winner. They just walk away and work on the next election. Note - When talking about politics, it is hard for all us to agree on any given subject. But keep in mind that we just want to share our opinion to each other, so please attack only our opinions and leave our personal stuffs aside. That way we will have good and healthy debate, and at the end we will learn from each other and keep our friendship alive.
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Posted on 12/13/2009 7:52:43 AM
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BunteayChhmar
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I agree with you too Tymbon! You are having a similarity to Sam’s ideas, but Sophal is always negative input almost every forum of politics debating! Sound like the outsider are useless in mean nothing to the coutry they love! He didn't see that I hope he needed more reseachs about Khmers outside more and how do they help. Look at this party of CPP some of them from outside that including my home town boyhoods! That doesn't mean to joint in the party, but they help the other way instead!
You seem to be concern about democracy in Cambodia. Well my friend, you don’t need to be. Our country is not ready for true democracy. Imposed democracy on a poor nation will never work. I believe a totalitarian regime, under a strong ruler would be more efficient in leading a nation out of poverty. Our country need stability, democracy in a poor nation doesn’t seem to create stability. Fortunately our gov’t is dominated by a single party, otherwise we might be still at war. I live in the US over 20 yrs. I’m not against democracy. It’s not an efficient gov’t system but it’s the greatest. I believe democracy should not be forced upon a nation by outsiders, but it should be forced upon a nation by her own people. The key to achieve democracy is education. People need to understand the meaning of democracy and appreciate it. By this I don’t mean you should go around teaching the definition of democracy to the people and expect them to be ready for democracy, it takes a lots more that. I think most of us (if not all) are disappointed to see our current Khmer political arena in unworkable atmosphere and there is no progress at all. This could weaken our very young democracy, and eventually it could lead to the totalitarian regime.
What do you think? Any suggestion how they can get along? My input is following and again it is my wish. Frankly I like to see our politicians do similar to what the US politicians do. 1. They put the country as their top priority over their party and themselves. 2. Whenever they debate or discuss any political subject, they only look at the opinions and ideas of their oppositions. They do not incite the personal matter of their opponents into the discussion. At the end of the debate, they respect each other and there is no personal hatred towards each other. Some even have lunch together after the hot debate. 3. If they loose the election, they will accept it and congratulate the winner. There is no personal hatred toward the winner. They just walk away and work on the next election. Note - When talking about politics, it is hard for all us to agree on any given subject. But keep in mind that we just want to share our opinion to each other, so please attack only our opinions and leave our personal stuffs aside. That way we will have good and healthy debate, and at the end we will learn from each other and keep our friendship alive.
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Posted on 12/13/2009 11:08:46 AM
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.*Veal Wattasongsa*.
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Louk Bunmeo I think you better stop any debate with this guy Sophal it wasting your time , I read the other forum , this guy keep repeat same thing over and over again , If you talk for khmer a gaint Youn You are the hater , this guy are Khmer that Educated in Hanoi , He's only know how to talk thing that been program to talk by Its master Youn Hanoi .. all his comment are treat Khmer peoples out side the country are useless , He know that Khmer abroad are very helpful to the Khmer Peoples inside the country , and his Jobs to make Khmer people abroad look useless Just to serve Its (Use for animals) master youn hanoi .
I agree with you too Tymbon! You are having a similarity to Sam’s ideas, but Sophal is always negative input almost every forum of politics debating! Sound like the outsider are useless in mean nothing to the coutry they love! He didn't see that I hope he needed more reseachs about Khmers outside more and how do they help. Look at this party of CPP some of them from outside that including my home town boyhoods! That doesn't mean to joint in the party, but they help the other way instead!
You seem to be concern about democracy in Cambodia. Well my friend, you don’t need to be. Our country is not ready for true democracy. Imposed democracy on a poor nation will never work. I believe a totalitarian regime, under a strong ruler would be more efficient in leading a nation out of poverty. Our country need stability, democracy in a poor nation doesn’t seem to create stability. Fortunately our gov’t is dominated by a single party, otherwise we might be still at war. I live in the US over 20 yrs. I’m not against democracy. It’s not an efficient gov’t system but it’s the greatest. I believe democracy should not be forced upon a nation by outsiders, but it should be forced upon a nation by her own people. The key to achieve democracy is education. People need to understand the meaning of democracy and appreciate it. By this I don’t mean you should go around teaching the definition of democracy to the people and expect them to be ready for democracy, it takes a lots more that. I think most of us (if not all) are disappointed to see our current Khmer political arena in unworkable atmosphere and there is no progress at all. This could weaken our very young democracy, and eventually it could lead to the totalitarian regime.
What do you think? Any suggestion how they can get along? My input is following and again it is my wish. Frankly I like to see our politicians do similar to what the US politicians do. 1. They put the country as their top priority over their party and themselves. 2. Whenever they debate or discuss any political subject, they only look at the opinions and ideas of their oppositions. They do not incite the personal matter of their opponents into the discussion. At the end of the debate, they respect each other and there is no personal hatred towards each other. Some even have lunch together after the hot debate. 3. If they loose the election, they will accept it and congratulate the winner. There is no personal hatred toward the winner. They just walk away and work on the next election. Note - When talking about politics, it is hard for all us to agree on any given subject. But keep in mind that we just want to share our opinion to each other, so please attack only our opinions and leave our personal stuffs aside. That way we will have good and healthy debate, and at the end we will learn from each other and keep our friendship alive.
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Posted on 12/13/2009 11:43:51 AM
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** BOROSS _ KHMER **
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Answer to you question :
1/ Most of those country they got their peoples and their leaders in well educated mode , before they do any thing they have to think twice and the consequence toward their action Plus their peoples are educated if their leaders are not fit for the jobs they simly kick them out , their leaders are truely honest to their people and their country , Khmer leaders most of them are not real Khmer so they don't really care what happend to Khmer .. and if they'er Khmer they have to go to educate in Hanoi or no education at all ... 2/There will be no Debate exist in Cambodia Because the guy in the power now are not cabable of doing one , or if there is a debate , has ha .. You better find a better spot to hide after that debate .. 3/ If the guy loose the election in Cambodia , He still inpower who can do anything to him.. or start a war with Support by the niethbore country . I think most of us (if not all) are disappointed to see our current Khmer political arena in unworkable atmosphere and there is no progress at all. This could weaken our very young democracy, and eventually it could lead to the totalitarian regime.
What do you think? Any suggestion how they can get along? My input is following and again it is my wish. Frankly I like to see our politicians do similar to what the US politicians do. 1. They put the country as their top priority over their party and themselves. 2. Whenever they debate or discuss any political subject, they only look at the opinions and ideas of their oppositions. They do not incite the personal matter of their opponents into the discussion. At the end of the debate, they respect each other and there is no personal hatred towards each other. Some even have lunch together after the hot debate. 3. If they loose the election, they will accept it and congratulate the winner. There is no personal hatred toward the winner. They just walk away and work on the next election. Note - When talking about politics, it is hard for all us to agree on any given subject. But keep in mind that we just want to share our opinion to each other, so please attack only our opinions and leave our personal stuffs aside. That way we will have good and healthy debate, and at the end we will learn from each other and keep our friendship alive.
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Posted on 12/13/2009 2:21:51 PM
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Sophal
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The people living in Cambodia see progress is being made with their elected President and public officials. Whereas people living abroad cited failures, because they tented to compare Khmer political system to that of the United States or other great nations. You will never have a true debate because you will never know how to start your base to start debating. The people of Cambodia are happy with their government. That said enough about how successful Cambodia political system.
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Posted on 12/13/2009 2:26:13 PM
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sorchek
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Fist of all I like to say again – please attack only opinions and leave personal stuffs aside. Keep in mind that one writes something, does not mean that one belongs to any particular party; it is just his/her opinion. And each opinion is good to be discussed.
Hi Tha. I agree that our country is prospering. I have been in the country 3 times (2001, 2005, and 2008), and each time I saw great improvement in many areas such as people living condition, economy (business), and infrastructures (roads, hospitals, schools) that would be the foundation for more prosperity to come. This prosperity should be credited to the government and Hun Sen himself. I think that prosperity is due to his economic policy – open the door for any foreign investment. I think that is good policy. This prosperity could be part of why the people elected Hun Sen and CPP in landslide.
However there are couple areas – Politic arena and corruption - that are not improving. They have been known issues for many generations, and perhaps it will take many generation to fix them. 1. Politic arena – As we can see all political parties do not talk to each other. I think the reason are following. a)Both parties adapt blame and label policy to the point that they hate each other. I think the labeling is the main cause of the drifting apart. I could see whenever they have a chance to blame and label, they do it especially opposition parties. The example is the current border crisis. The opposition parties especially Sam Rainsy labeled CPP and Hun Sen as puppet of Vietnam and blamed them for allowing Vietnam to take part of our mother land, while CPP blamed and labeled Sam Ransey a puppet of Abasit (Thailand) since he visited Thailand when Thailand wanted to take our Preah Vihear. b)Our Khmer political culture “intimidation” - the stronger party would intimidate the weaker ones. That is what happens now, and actually I also saw it in 60 and 70's under Samdech Sihanuk and Lon Nol. I wish we stop doing it. 2. Corruption – It has been our chronic illness in our society for many generations. The worse one was during the last 2 years of Lon Nol 's regime (1974-1975). As we all know there was no action from the government until recently that they will pass the law to tackle down the corruption. That is good news.
Yes, I also wonder what would happen if Hun Sen dies for any reason. He is at the late 50's and every one is mortal. Is there any good leader coming out of CPP? For sure the opposition parties would not have enough strength to be part of it.
i think cambodia's politic is fine..its not the best but at least the CPP is leading it the right way. i believe that the CPP and Hun Sen are the only things that can lead Cambodia into a better country..beside the CPP and Hun Sen, a new leader will destroy Cambodia
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